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be out. >> the second rule runs counter to what the reality is in washington right now. get mad and then get over it. you talked about how politics is not a zero sum game. your friend 90% of the time is not your enemy 10% of the time. >> i tell a story about a disagreement i had back in 2003 over the iraq war. france was against us going to war and we were against france being against us. it got ugly with the un. people were saying we don't eat french fries and french wine. we have freedom fries. that lasted about a week. i was mad with the maker. he put me in an awkward position. we exchanged views about it. he was an adversary. i couldn't let him become an enemy because i meet him later. turn him into a friend at some point. that's what he did with me. i don't like to accumulate enemies for that. i rather have people i disagree with and if we can work it out, i have an adversary and a friend. >> you talked about anger. you are flown anger as are a lot of great leaders and you learn how to control about it and you say it's so important for somebody that's running an office or a
think that she is outside politics, outside of washington the way that people think of barack obama, which is a wholly new thing. that is sui generis. >> i don't see it like that especially because the man himself is an island unto himself in washington, d.c. >> yes. >> he is not a democratic party boss like tip o'neill. he's not even really connected with the chicago political machine. >> and curiously, people like that. >> he is his own man. that's a great thing unless you are the democrats that want this to be passed along four years from now. >> but is there, in your view, a philosophical way of being that is inheritable, to use rick's word? is this pragmatic problem-solving approach that clinton began and obama has clearly taken through this four years, five years so far, is the next republican victor going to have to be someone who is less ideological than, say, 30 years ago? >> well, i take exception with the suggestion that barack obama has been pragmatic. he passed a lot of things the first two years by running the democrats and getting their vote. i believe the great histo
-- >> can we do that in 2013? >> -- works. >> i know. is washington still capable of that? >> i predict that it will happen. i think you will have, just like we did then, you'll have people out here and out here that won't agree with that. but i think you'll have an operating majority to do something. i believe that will happen. >>> still ahead, we're joined by actor and director ben affleck and the emmy-winning star of "veep," julia louis-dreyfus. first, caroline kennedy with her new book on her father's presidency. we'll hear audio from jfk himself inside the oval office. irping ]hon [ buzzing ] bye dad. drive safe. k. love you. [ chirping, buzzing continues ] [ horn honks ] [ buzzing continues ] [ male announcer ] the sprint drive first app. blocks and replies to texts while you drive. we can live without the &. visit sprint.com/drive. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping id
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